What's your concept of heaven?
Posted at 5:00 AM on July 14, 2010
by Eric Ringham
(45 Comments)
Filed under: Religion/Ethics
Today's Midmorning looks at how ideas of heaven have changed over time. Today's Question: What's your concept of heaven?
Comments (45)
His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."
The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what Heaven's kingdom is like."
He said to them, "It's like a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds, but when it falls on prepared soil, it produces a large plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."
22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom."
They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."
Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed."
3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."
Heaven
(I was raised Luthern, but I believe we all must change or die)
Depending on religious flavor, Heaven could be love, ease, finery, reunification with loved ones, or 72 virgins. We fashion God's Heaven in scripture and mind's eye after things we want and we know. But I believe we must fashion our own Heaven from things we are only beginning to know.
There is no time and place in heaven. Not as we know it here on Earth. But Earth is part of Heaven, as Earth has existed for centuries, and as it will become. We are on a stepping stone, walking in place. We have to see heaven from here in order to get there. We have to make it.
There is no anger, no competition, no jealousy, no greed in Heaven. But can't we start right now? The qualities we treasure that belong in heaven will eventually get there. Heaven happens when and where God's great infinite experiment finally succeeds. Science and the exploding Universe are part of the plan.
Heaven is the enduring power of good over evil. Hell is the enduring triumph of evil over good. Both forces continue in battle, and we are all capricious soldiers, taking and switching sides. The final victory will leave us eternally resting in peace in Heaven, or burning in a flash in Hell.
My Prayer-The Military Industrial Complex Blows Itself Up and We All Survive
President Eisenhower wisely warned of thie "military-industrial complex," and now we are its slaves. We have no First Amendment rights. If the government doesn't shut us up, the corporations will. And corporate money buys the government it wants, as long as the gullible can be tricked or appeased.
Tea-partiers hate that the unemployed collect unemployment, but they do not understand that the jobs are gone. And they do not know why. Jobs will vanish as long as the filthy rich suck as much value as they can out of the economy and give as little value back as they please. And if you want to work, you won't cry fowl. Whose freedom is that? It seems to me the TP movement and others are marching in lock-step like lemmings to the sea. A tiny few of them realize they are ants amassing bigger money piles.
If Americans were willing to uphold and support their own lifestyle in a sustainable way, and fight for their own Democracy, there would be plenty of work to go around, and plenty of smaller piles of wealth. "Re-distribution!" is what Michelle Bachman would call it. I'd call it a big glob of ugly oil on the surface of the water that has seeped down into the ocean in a myriad of insidious ways. ...A conglomerate that a government undivided upon itself must break up and clean up, with clear separation of powers, watched by a freed press. Heck, if "freedom" is good enough for Iraq and Afghanistan, (code for the world's largest corporations and banks,) darn it! It's good enough for US!
Why is it that there has never been a suitable explanation for why the terrorists hate us so much? The profiteers don't want us to know because they and their taxpayer funded US government operatives have been humiliating people in the Middle East for years. Humiliation in that culture is worse than death. And to support OUR lifestyle? Easier for all if we believe the terrorists goals are just plain evil. No one is defending terrorism, of course, but wouldn't understanding the motive do anyone any good at all? After all, we are the only ones we have the power to change Or ...we can just try to kill them all.
IRAN holds the world's second-largest supply of oil. The Gulf Oil "spill," and all that we owe to the Chinese, is going to humble us for a change.
“Of all races in an advanced stage of civilization, the American is the least accessible to long views… Always and everywhere in a hurry to get rich, he does not give a thought to remote consequences; he sees only present advantages… He does not remember, he does not feel, he lives in a materialist dream.”
—Moiseide Ostrogorski (1902, 302-303)
The Gulf of Mexico, one of the closest things to Heaven we have seen, is now an oil sewer. A methane volcano could be stifling a belch that until now was kept at bay by gravity and all the oceans of the Earth, until someone said "Drill, baby drill!" and stuck a pin in it. And the experts cannot even predict volcanic eruptions ABOVE ground, if indeed, volcano is the right term. But no one would really know, because the messengers cannot get the message. And if the runaway gusher never stopped, all someone would have to do is light a match.
We must change, or we will die.
Since most US journalism is speculation now anyway, here is what it might look like when we are gone. Can anyone say Europa? Our best hope of space habitation just might be our own future nightmare. And we'd never even know it.
http://www.geotimes.org/aug05/NN_Titanvolcano.html
Religiousness in unity is needed now.
I do believe this: God must have forgotten to mention that Heaven is not above us. Hell is not below. We are in the middle of both. Which among you are living us toward Heaven? And which among you is marching/driving/blowing us to Hell?
"I used to think heaven was a place where everyone spoke the same language, now I believe it is a place where everyone understands each others language" ~ Some poet/scientist in history after having had hashish (or was it nitrous oxide?) for the first time, I heard quoted on NPR's Science Friday.
Heaven is a secular place on earth where people talk about human brotherhood and act upon it rather than talking about religions with their divisive and delusional concepts like heaven and hell.
I don't believe in heaven, because if I believed in that, I would have to believe in Hell, and I don't believe in that for anybody. Like Mark Twain said, he couldn't imagine anything more boring than listening to harp music for EVER with people who only wear white sheets. There is no fashion in heaven!
MPR being a Godless secular medium as they are, it's funny they are asking a question about something they don't even believe exists!
Heaven is a radio station that doesn't broadcast bad weather announcents minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day.
If there is a warning or a watch in northern Minnesota they should broadcast the information only over the stations in the affected area (they do this with other subjects).
The heavenly station would not check in with Paul Hutner every 10 minutes.
Let's pray and ask God or Allah for such a station!
You get a free trip around the sun every year as an infinitesimal part of the universe; and you've got only one shot to live the life you've imagined on this planet. Heaven is living a life, here, right now, that you'd love to do all over again if you had the chance. Succeeding in this, for me, would be heaven. So far, so good :)
"Heaven" is a place where God (The Good Omnipotent/Omnipresent) dwells. Closer than hands or feet and nearer than the breath. The space, not only between Galaxies and Greater than the Great but smaller than the smallest. In truth, it is thought/believed/experienced that heaven has never been left/abandoned but only fallen asleep within where dreams of time and forms appeared. Even though Buddhists, Hindus/Vedantists, the Indigenous of many bioregions, pagans, Christians, Sufis etc... all have achieved this perspective in holy moments of lucidity, "A universal theology is impossible, but a universal experience is not only possible but necessary." - ACIM
"Heaven and earth shall pass away" means that they will not continue to exist as separate states."
(ACIM) http://www.courseinmiraclesforum.com/acimbible.html
Regarding Heaven/hell, visions/dreams, A Course in Miracles (ACIM) has much to say and reassure. http://www.acim.org/
All forms, visions, sounds, feelings,smells, tastes, thoughts are manifestations of that consciousness, we can never be apart from for our essence is That (I AM), beyond all dreams.
An excerpt from A manual based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead (The Psychedelic Experience): Remember the key to the teachings.
O friend,
These realms are not come from somewhere outside your self,
They come from within and shine upon you.
The revelations too are not come from somewhere else;
They exist from eternity within the faculties of your own intellect.
Know them to be of that nature.
The key to enlightenment and serenity during this period of ten thousand
visions is simply this:
Relax.
Merge yourself with them.
Blissfully accept the wonders of your own creativity.
Become neither attached nor afraid,
Neither be attracted nor repulsed.
Above all, do nothing about the visions.
They exist only within you.
http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm#5.2
En route to waking up to Heaven (where we are and have never left the Oneness of God's Love/ Interrelatedness of All Beings/the Ecology of Souls/the Clear Light of the Void/Bodhichitta/the Quantum Field etc...), I offer this Tibetan Dream Yogi prayer: "May we awaken with this dream and grasp the fact that we are dreaming so that all dreamlike being may likewise awaken from the nightmare of illusory suffering and confusion".
Peace be with you,
Inlakesh (I am another yourSelf)
In you is all of Heaven. Every leaf that falls is given life in you. Each bird that ever sang will sing again in you. And every flower that ever bloomed has saved its perfume and its loveliness for you. - ACIM
My concept of heaven would be a respite from self-awareness. But without self-awareness, how could I know?
I believe the energy within a living being dissipates throughout life, gradually being transferred out of the body until death occurs. Where it goes is a mystery, but I believe it stays on earth. I like to imagine that as we age, our youthful energy is slowly transformed into seeds of new life, and all the young things we encounter (like our children, pets, and gardens) are little pieces of our ourselves, and how lucky we are to be able to nurture them. In that way, we are all eternal beings.
Since my father died just over 1 year ago, I would love to believe that he is enjoying the fruits of heaven. If there is a heaven, which God or Gods runs it? Buddhist Gods, the something like 300+ million Hindu Gods, Jesus, Allah, Odin, Zeus, etc...? If you are betting on a religion, I hope you have chosen wisely. I used to believe in the "light at the end of the tunnel" and all that, until I heard that fighter pilots/Astronauts experience the same thing when they undergo high g forces in a centrifuge. On the whole, I think that one can conclude that there is no heaven. I will not see my father again :( But, I have a lifetime of memories.
I can't accept the idea of either heaven or hell (although I was brought up to do so) because there isn't a shred of evidence for either one. When I die, I shall rot, along with Bertrand Russell (and everyone else).
The idea of heaven is comforting to people, which explains its persistence. When I go, that's it. This inspires me to make the most of this life, since nothing follows it. Knowing this sharpens my love of life.
Why those things whisper in our souls? Is it always because of fear?
Humans are so arrogant. We believe with our evolving brains, intellect and spirituality that we have the ability to fathom god and the afterlife. These physical bodies, these rudimentary understandings of "reality" are laughable. Monkies afraid of the dark. Mythology gives us a way to describe whatever faith or experience whispers in our souls.
The transformation that occurred when my mom died and I was holding her hand filled me with wonder and joy. I can't describe it--our inadequate language can't come close to experiences that mix senses and open parts of conscience normally not wakened until crossing over into the next reality. It was a profound gift that does not require validation from anyone else. I know what happened. I've sensed a little smatter of what's next and know its about joy and reconnection. That's enough for me, monkeys.
Thump your chest and scream your own version of truth. Soon enough, we'll all know. What matters between now and then is what you do with the time you have with this gift of life. A little evolution (oh, tolerance, compassion, gratitude) might be a good way to get there in style.
Every day I live in "heaven." Some days feels more like "hell." If there isn't an afterlife and THIS is all we get, I'm comforted to know there's the best of both worlds right here on earth.
What a great topic. The conversation this morning was so interesting.
Khatti, I really enjoyed your post. It really seems as though you have deeply considered the topic and your conclusions are similar to conclusions I have pondered, as well.
And Jane, your vision reminded me of a Buddhist teaching, which offers an example of how life moves from one to the next. As one flaming candle is used to light others, one can see that each flame is distinct and yet the flame is the same? I have lost children to miscarriages, and I am sorry that your son died. Thank you for sharing your vision. What a beautiful and moving scene.
My belief in heaven relies heavily on the existence of community. In light of this conversation, I found it interesting that I often pray, "Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." because after the mention of heaven, I go on to pray for all the things that create fabulous community - daily bread, forgiveness for myself and others (forgiveness from me toward others and from others toward me), and a plea that we would all be delivered from the temptation to do evil. Ending my supplication, I proclaim that I believe God is my infinite and all powerful example of such an existence.
Like many people I do not have a close family, and as a result I do not have many close, interconnected relationships. Like many, that acceptance/interconnectedness/caring is something that I deeply long for and strive to create in this life.
So, for me, heaven will be that place/time/existence when each of us is interconnected on a metaphysical level. In such an existence, my desire will not be able to be more significant than my neighbor's. We will feel one another's pain and glory, and in my belief the glory will has already won.
It is a place of ultimate love, acceptence, responsibility, and existence/love with one another.
In the meantime, I am glad to have this belief, and the belief that I should love Love with all my heart, and my mind, and my soul, and that I should love my fellow being as I love myself.
Peace.
There is Heaven and there is the Afterlife.
A personal Afterlife is a creative fiction that is being increasingly challenged by the expanding discoveries of science. Science is providing an ever-move-comprehensive understanding of the underpinnings behind our existence and morality, and it is providing us with this complete awareness of all experience without any allowance for any sort of life after death.
Heaven, however, is the ability to recognize and accept reality as it is in all its forms, while Hell is the clinging to illusions - especially those that lead to one's own pain or the pain of others. Because life only exists for the living, both Heaven and Hell only exist for us while we are still alive.
In this equation God is equivalent to Reality/the Real World, where our abilty to recognize & accept His presence is effectively just our ability to recognize & accept the pain and beauty of Reality itself, including our own limited term of time to appreciate this all.
Carl Sagan was once quoted as saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Religions make the most extraordinary claims and are rarely questioned by society at large. The existence of heaven (and hell) is only one example of the innumerable, unprovable claims that many religions make. Whether or not I knew for sure that heaven existed it would not change my behavior one bit. My plan is to live the best life I can helping others along the way. I treat heaven like I treat social security. It'll be nice if it's there when I need it, but I'm not counting on it.
I came across the notion that heaven or the afterlife consists of one's experiences during the 11 seconds of brain activity that occurs after the rest of a person's body fails. Like in dreams, the subjectivity of experiencing 'time' could cause these 11 seconds to seem quite long.
It's an elegant idea, but I am skeptical about whether heaven exists outside our lifetime.
Heaven is a comforting myth with no basis in evidence that is the primary carrot by which Christian & Muslim religious leaders attempt to get their followers to obey them. Conversely, hell is the stick.
Heaven, for me, has always been about a thought, a feeling. I believe Heaven will encapsulate the feeling of laughing with your family, feeling the warmth of the sun on your cheek, cool, clear lake water on your toes, the taste of a freshly baked pie, and the scent of the most fragrant rose. A sense of the presence of God, loved ones, and a peaceful bliss that is beyond what we can actually imagine.
Sorry about the double post... browser troubles.
My concept of Heaven:
Heaven is a concept. It is used variously as a means of comfort (as when a loved one dies), hope (that one's existence continues after death), and control (of others, through fear).
I don't know whether it exists or not (how could I? how could anyone?), but I think the odds of its reality are infinitesimal. Even if it does exist, I would only be guessing about its qualities in such a way as to justify my own lifestyle and personality.
In the unlikely case that Heaven is real, I find it impossible to believe that it would be governed by someone like the character of "God" as portrayed in the Judeo-Christian bible; and if it were, I don't think I'd want to be there. The character exhibits traits of severe psychological instability - perhaps most notably, borderline personality disorder. He is by turns perverted and prudish; he loves humans on the condition that they behave in very specific ways, but changes the rules as the mood strikes him. He apparently suffers from multiple personality disorder, viewing himself as 3 separate entities, and is likely bipolar as well. I just don't think the universe is that poorly managed.
My concept of Heaven:
Heaven is a concept. It is used variously as a means of comfort (as when a loved one dies), hope (that one's existence continues after death), and control (of others, through fear).
I don't know whether it exists or not (how could I? how could anyone?), but I think the odds of its reality are infinitesimal. Even if it does exist, I would only be guessing about its qualities in such a way as to justify my own lifestyle and personality.
In the unlikely case that Heaven is real, I find it impossible to believe that it would be governed by someone like the character of "God" as portrayed in the Judeo-Christian bible; and if it were, I don't think I'd want to be there. The character exhibits traits of severe psychological instability - perhaps most notably, borderline personality disorder. He is by turns perverted and prudish; he loves humans on the condition that they behave in very specific ways, but changes the rules as the mood strikes him. He apparently suffers from multiple personality disorder, viewing himself as 3 separate entities, and is likely bipolar as well. I just don't think the universe is that poorly managed.
@Alison
That's a very good point, Alison. It's disconcerting to me that deeply religious people are convinced that human nature is to do evil. Just because I don't believe in a higher power, or that if I do bad I'm not going to get into heaven, doesn't mean I'm going to.
I don't murder, rape, or steal because it goes against my religious beliefs - I don't because I don't want to.
I don't need an old book to tell me what is right and what is wrong.
Paradise lost will be paradise restored.
I used to believe in the heaven that I learned about in Catholic church and school. But once I realized that so much else that I was taught in the Catholic church consisted of lies it caused me to question the teachings on heaven too. I have no idea anymore. And to my surprise, it doesn't bother me at all. I don't need a heaven to motivate me to be a good person. My uncertainty sure bothers some friends who do believe though!
I agree with some of the others who have said that heaven is a human construct. I'd stop short of saying it doesn't exist, but I think we need to try to experience "heaven" while we are alive--I believe we experience heaven and hell on earth while we are alive.
The idea of heaven as afterlife doesn't make sense to me. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in an afterlife--I lean toward some kind of re-incarnation.
I'm a Star Wars fanatic. Seeing that movie inspired me to not only create my own space opera, but also a religion to go with it. What deserves mentioning in this instance is that when you are creating a religion you are not necessarily obligated to believe in, you can utilise your preferences, not the beliefs that have been handed down to you--in my case that would be Scandinavian Lutheran.
I was not impressed with my own nobility when I created my sci-fi religion, I came to some very clear conclusions about my flawed self. I was terrified that there was nothing after I die, yet I didn't want to become immortal: I simply didn't like myself enough to want to be in my own company for thousands of years. What intrigued me (and still intrigues me) is reincarnation. Thinking upon my life made me realize that I particularly didn't deserve to go to Hell, but I didn't particularly deserve to go to Heaven. I would assume some Catholic mystic came across the same dilemma, and thus Purgatory was born. Nor did I particularly want to go to Heaven. What I wanted was another chance. Another opportunity to see if I could do this life thing far better than I did it this time.
There are disadvantages to this system. Our cultural desire to see our loved ones at the Pearly Gates suffers under this system. Grandpa and grandma and dear auntie Rose are not going to be waiting for you at the Pearly Gates because they will be involved in their next lives.
There is another question that I've pondered for years: my sci-fi releigion was based on my preferences, not what I considered my beliefs. But I can't help but wonder to what extent your preferences are your beliefs.
When I was little I thought heaven was the place you went when you die and sing praises to God. Now I'm not so sure there is a heaven. But if there is the only thing I'm worried about is I have a terrible voice and singing all day would be very boring.
before i was saved, i didnt give heaven or hell much thought. When I was 25, Jesus spoke to me and transformed me from the inside. the holy spirit did a work in me, and i am not the same person. i believe the bible is the infallible word of God, and rejecting God's free gift has consequences. john the baptist, in revelation, is given a vision of neaven, and God told him to write it all down, what he saw, to give the children of God hope after they die. this life is only a preparation for the next. it is important not to be full of pride, saying that "my way is the only way"..on the contrary...it is only through Jesus, that we can be saved and when we die, unite with the trinity in heaven, which is an actually place...a city that is in the form of a perfect square. read in revelation the account john gives of heaven. it is very detailed and accurate. we were given the bible because it is how God speaks to us and tells us the truth and it is literally a life or death situation if you reject his love. good people don't go to heaven. saved people do.
Raised Luthern, became athiest.
I believe the mind is a very powerful thing - consciousness could exist beyond our bodies in a scientific way. Who knows. As for God and Heaven? Doesn't make sense to me.
When my infant son died eight years ago, I was shown a clear vision of heaven and his place in it. It was not a dream, as I was not sleeping, but an image that came unbidden to mind. In this vision there was no physicality of space--no garden, no streams, no pearly gates--and no corporeal beings or angels with harps. What I first saw before me was a single flame. I knew it was a holy image, and came to understand that it was the light of my son's soul. Next, the angle of vision changed, and that single flame was surrounded by a field of thousands, millions of flames. That is how I understand the afterlife or heaven: No individuals, no conversation, no consumption or indulgence, but a community of souls shining in silent understanding and bright, eternal peace.
heaven is the strain and struggle and the end of a long grueling running race, the cheering crowds pulling me along!
I absolutely believe in Heaven because of the death of a parent at a young age. But now my thought of heaven is not defined by a religion, but rather the thought that I will once again be with her after I die. I can't imagine not being with her again because my time on earth with her was so short.
Richard
Health, family, friends, my dog and work.
Heaven on earth:-)
Afterlife,,, I hope to be reunited with loved ones that have past. To see, hear and have no pain or suffering.
DTOM
To me, Heaven isn't a place we go to when we die. I have an inner sense that it is more a state of mind which we can obtain, or strive for, while alive. The power of our thoughts, our free-will to choose those thoughts, and new mind-over matter evidence leads me to believe that experiencing Heaven on Earth is absolutely possible.
During my years of Sunday school, my concept of heaven became such: heaven gives people a reason to go on in tough times, and a reason to act appropriately towards others in human life. I prefer to be good simply for the sake of doing kind things for others and myself. There doesn't need to be an incentive (heaven) for my actions.
Heaven is a good place, but only because God is there. That's pretty much the only thing it has going for it. Pretty good deal if your greatest treasure is God, though.
My concept of heaven would be living on this planet with people being more concerned with the only life we know of FOR SURE rather than guessing at what some baby sitter in the sky expects.
There is no heaven. This is just a myth which got started because people are complex enough to recoil at the idea that this life is all there is. Now good people keep the myth going because they are trying to do the right thing and faith, religion, and god are seen as good. Too bad that people live with a myth like this long after it is clear that it isn't true. I wish there were a heaven like they told me in catholic school. It sounded good. Too bad for all of us--it's just another myth.
Life the apostle Paul, I'll let myself be considered the greatest of fools as I believe in a life after this life.
What will it look like? Who knows? I think it will be a place where we have peace of mind and pure joy beyond our imagination.
Who will be there? THAT is not my job, thanks be to God.
My idea of heaven is my cabin in the woods near Nelson Lake just north of Hayward, WI.
Who cares what my "concept of heaven" is? If indeed it exists, that's like asking a Maine lobster what it might be like to live on land in Minnesota. If it doesn't exist, the question is meaningless.
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