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The bloody "300"

Posted at 12:52 PM on March 8, 2007 by Euan Kerr (54 Comments)


Zack Snyder's stylishly hyperviolent "300" retells the iconic tale of the Spartans stand at Thermopylae for a 21st century audience, and retells it well.

This is no mean feat as there are many powerful elements at play here. First there is the story itself, of how 300 Spartan warriors took on the might of the advancing Persian army under led by Xerxes. They knew it was suicide, but could consider no other option under the Spartan code of honor.

"300" is also based on the Frank Miller graphic novel which tells the story through a heady mixture of starkly beautiful if blood-soaked images.

It could be a horrible mess, but Snyder pulls it off by finding and maintaining a finely tuned balance of story and style. He brings a humanity to the Spartans who history has often portrayed as unthinking zealots. The Spartan King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) knows what he has to do, but he is always considering and re-considering the implications of his decisions. His actions are based on his love for his family and his city.

Snyder also uses the camera to capture the smooth simplicity of Miller's graphic novel, much more successfully than was done in "Sin City." That Miller adaptation overwhelmed and repulsed at times, while "300" draws the audience in.

Much of "300" was shot against blue screens and the scenery added later. But Snyder gets real power from the close-ups on his actors. This is a film which revels in the horrors of hand-to-hand combat with spears and swords. The action, often in slow motion, features sprays of blood and mountains of corpses. It's horrific and fascinating.

It's not perfect: the Persians are portrayed as a strange hoard with consisting of mutants, and mask-wearing monsters with a penchant for facial piercings. Xerxes (Rodrigo Santoro) comes across as kind of silly. But this seldom detracts from the main story.

Snyder launches his film as the world continues a raging debate over the justifications and cost of wars. Actors at the premiere reportedly declined to be drawn into any discussion of a message in "300." This story could be interpreted in many ways, pro-war, pro-peace, a simple retelling of a classical story, or a pointed commentary on the war on terrorism.

The ancient Greeks had a talent for telling morally ambiguous tales. Snyder is clearly deep in that camp.

A side note: Malcolm the 16 year old tells me "Every sophomore boy in America" wants to see "300." He's been wandering around the house quoting lines he's heard from the trailers, revelling in the Glaswegian accent Gerard Butler imposes to great effect on Leonidas.


Comments (54)

This is another subliminal brainwash movie to get us ready for another war. See what the real Greeks think about this historically inaccurate bigoted spin on their history:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/08/arts/EU-A-E-MOV-Greece-300.php

By ancient Persia, they refer to modern Iran whose soldiers are portrayed as bloodthirsty, underdeveloped zombies, he wrote. They are stroking racist instincts in Europe and America.

Please don't subsidize bigotry.

Posted by RatherNotSay | March 8, 2007 2:39 PM


The comment above is ridiculous. I saw the sneak preview Tuesday and this move is AMAZING. Whoever wrote this must be the most radical liberal in existence, and that's coming from one who voted for John Kerry. Chill out there buddy and go enjoy a the beautiful scenery, great actors/actresses, and kick-ass fight scenes of a fantastic movie. If not you're going to end up in a Persian nut house, I mean Iran.

Posted by Mike | March 8, 2007 2:54 PM


I agree with Mike. That first comment is a crazy. When I say crazy I mean stupid and biased. The movie looks awesome.

Posted by Justin | March 9, 2007 9:21 AM


I agree that it's packaged very nicely. But please be cognizant of what is being streamed into your head while enjoying the nice scenery. This is a very racist movie - It does not make it OK just because they yell, "Pile those Persians high!" instead of "Pile those Jews [or Armenians or substitute your favorite ethnic group here] high!” This is just one example. There are many more subliminal racist messages in this movie. Another example, Greeks and Persians have very similar physical features. In this movie Persians are made to be dark skinned and deformed. There are multiple levels of racism right there. One, showing darker skinned people as evil. Two, showing Persians as dark skinned. Three, showing deformed people as evil and not deserving of our sympathy. Do you remember another minority group being depicted as sub-human and deformed in the very recent past (hint, you don’t have to go back 2500 years)?

Posted by RatherNotSat | March 10, 2007 12:25 PM


Seriously, the comment about how this is a bigoted spin on history. What ISN'T a bigoted spin on history. History is written by the victors, and thus they will always make themselves look like the good guys, and their enemies the evil guys. It is a common literary device, in movies and books, to make the "enemy" evil, which turns them into dark, mutated brutes a majority of the time. This movie in now way is being rascist. It is using common devices to portray the story from the side of the spartans, which is how the story is told in the western world. And the empire known as Persia is no longer in existance, and thus going along the line you were, portraying the Romans as cruel brutes would be saying all Italians are cruel brutes. This movie was amazing, and anyone who is interested in this time period in history should love it, though not for it's accuracy. Anyone though should see this movie (obviously not the kids).

Posted by John | March 10, 2007 10:37 PM


OK, well, let’s start with the first comment from "RatherNotSay".
Your comment is ridiculous and completely unfounded in any truth and extremely biased by you’re your own perception of the movie and or reality in general.

As for the movie being racist. You’re certainly thinking about this movie as some sort of racist weapon. And it’s not, it’s a movie. It’s a work of FICTION. Yes, I know, they are depicting real events, but it only “Based on real events”. It never claims to be historically accurate.

You (RatherNotSat) make reference to a line in the movie being unacceptable because it’s racist when you say: “It does not make it OK just because they yell, "Pile those Persians high!"”

Do you really think that this statement is racist? If they had been fighting the Athenians or any other adversary they would have used their name as well. They’re not being “racist” they’re referring to their enemies, whom they are at war with. It wouldn’t make much sense nor would it contribute to the movies feel of conflict if they had said “Pile those dead human beings high!” That statement is not derogatory either, they use the word “Persians” because the main enemy is Persian, and they are being led by a Persian ruler. He’s calling them what they are.
They are not intending to “make it OK” they are not trying to justify killing those people; they are simply moving the dead. What dead? Persian dead.
Nowhere in the movie does it even imply that they fight the Persians because they are in any way different from them. They fight because they do not want to be subject to a foreign power, regardless of how they dress, the color of their skin, or their culture or religion. Also, the Spartans fight because it’s Xerxes who brings the war to them.

The Spartans refer to all of the warriors they face as Persians even though it is stated countless times that Xerxes army consists of troops from many, many nations. This is why they call a man Persian even when his skin complexion is far darker than a native of Persia. If you want to be picky which I assume you do, because your complaining in the first place. You don’t think it’s possible that an army with soldiers from many nations is going to have people with dark skin? That somehow in Xerxes conquest across countries he doesn’t pick up people from all around the world? If you assume that, then you need to chill out and think before you start calling people or peoples work racist.

Not to mention almost all of the Persian forces wore some type of cover over their face. Looking at a handful of faces in an army of a million you can’t possibly come to the conclusion that every single person in the employ of Xerxes is of a darker complexion than a historical Persian person. It’s also not out of reason to assume that the unmasked members of the Persian forces, usually people in authority, were given their position not because they were of Persian descent, but because they submitted their people to Xerxes. For instance, if Leonidas were to have submitted to Xerxes, he would have become the Persian Warlord of all Greece. Why? Not because he’s Persian, but because his leader is Persian.

As for the statement about the Persians being deformed, I assume you are making a reference to the Immortals. It was not uncommon for people to mutilate themselves to make them look more fearsome in battle. The disfigured faces of the Immortals could quite possibly have been something you are required to do when you become an “Immortal”. They make reference to the fact that they have filed down their teeth on purpose. To this day, the filing of teeth is still done for cosmetic reasons. It would explain why the Immortals are given those very distinct facemasks. To make them look inhuman, and thus put fear into your enemies. As is the case with the faces, if your mask is knocked off, you still have a frightening appearance, one that startles the enemy when he sees it, as shown in the film when you first see an Immortals face.


When you actually THINK about these things it makes sense. When you simply start calling people or their work racist because you don’t understand what you’re seeing, that makes you ignorant. Ignorance is the root of racism.

Posted by Travis | March 10, 2007 10:46 PM


We can learn A LOT from the commitment that the Citizens of Sparta made towards protecting the freedoms they enjoyed. We can start by educating ourselves in the valuable lessons that history teaches us about the price of our freedoms.

My response is pointed to the comments made by Mr/Ms RatherNotSay who believes the movie, 300, was made in an attempt to promote racism! ALWAYS beware of those who try to diminish the struggle for freedom by pointing the focus elsewhere!

As a teacher educated at the graduate level, I would like to encourage this individual to brush up on his/her history a bit! While he/she appears to have his/her heart in the right place, because racism is certainly a bad thing, he/she is, nonetheless, terribly wrong. Please indulge me by letting me share why I think your frame of mind is a danger to all free people groups on this planet.

Evil comes packaged in EVERY color, religion, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, and form! The only prejudice executed in this movie was against slavery and oppression. How do I know this? Because 300 is based on a true historical event depicting the price paid by 300 highly trained Citizens of Sparta in a fight to the death for the freedom of the Greeks. What they faced if they did not fight was living a life in absolute slavery as the subjects of Xerxes I, King of the Persian Empire (now Iran). To say otherwise shows an obvious ignorance of history. Let me proceed to try to demonstrate how this attitude parallels the danger we face in our War on Terrorism today.

Had the Spartans and Greeks submitted to the demands of Xerxes I, they would have been slaves like the Jews of that time had been for so many years under the kings of both Babylon and Persia. (Read the Books of Daniel and Esther in your Bible. Yes, Esther was a slave of Xerxes before she became his queen. Rent One Night with the King about Esther and Xerxes' difficult beginnings together).

While I applaud Hollywood for making 300, it is absolutely obscene how those in the Secular Progressive camp who dominate the news media and Hollywood today try to deceive people with the emotional language of victimology and racism to pull on the heart strings of the world to skew their view from the truth so they can promote their own personal prejudice and hatred for conservative Americans (Jews, Christians, Republicans). This is VERY DANGEROUS because they are promoting a great deal of division among our allies which may lead to sacrifice of the very freedoms they want to protect. I will attempt to explain.

To say this movie is about racism is a perfect example of how far this deception is able to extend into the minds and hearts of the world. To remedy this, I would encourage everyone to brush up on the classics, including the Koran and the Bible, and put it all into context with what was going on in the world today. What we are facing with terrorism goes way back in time, beginning with the father of the Jews, Christians, and many of the Arabs, the Patriarch Abraham (Read the Book of Genesis).

Let's talk for a minute about prejudice and war. It might enlighten you to know that the Koran says the only way a Muslim is guaranteed a place in heaven is to kill others (specifically Christians and Jews) in a Holy War or Jihad. While it appears only radical Muslims take this as a justification for terrorism, not one Muslim will deny that this is what the Koran says about going to heaven. I would say a guarantee of heaven is a pretty good motivator for war, not to mention prejudice, genocide and terrorism! This is something most people in Europe and America are still unaware of. Maybe it is time to wake up and start thinking about WHO is REALLY in danger here.

Posted by Tracey | March 11, 2007 1:11 AM


Oops! I got cut off...

Like Sparta, we need to do our part as Citizens for Freedom in danger of much prejudice, hatred, and war. Get educated. Why would we think a radical Muslim country like Iran deserves the same right to nuclear weapons we do when they get a free ticket into heaven if they wage war against Christians and Jews?

Posted by Tracey | March 11, 2007 1:19 AM


Please Note: I realize the truth I have revealed about the Koran is like a sword with two edges. There is the potential that this will incite prejudice against Muslims or be viewed as hatred on my part, and that is not my point at all. Christians and Jews have lived in peace with Muslims for centuries and visa-versa. There is no reason this cannot continue. However, with RADICALMuslim countries like Iran trying to make nuclear weapons, it is VITALLY IMPORTANT we are aware of their religious motives and that we are not deceived by the propoganda of the Secular Progressive camp which would turn our attention elsewhere, like RatherNotSay's spin on racism here! We have people going over to Iran to support their cause for skewed reasons like these that seem noble at first sight but are a trap. The bottom line is, when any form of hatred is tolerated, be it by a Muslim, a Secular Progressive, or Conservative American, we all lose but we can't be afraid to protect ourselves against evil.

Posted by Tracey | March 11, 2007 1:37 AM


History is written by he who wins.
It is not a racist movie it is a movie about war. How do you think YOU would talk about an enemy who wanted to take over your country. If you can honestly say you would be nice and friendly then that's great congrats on being perfect.
This was an awesome movie.

Posted by Ethan Valenzuela | March 11, 2007 5:31 AM


Justine, Mike and all who doubted me when I said that this movie was being used as another propaganda tool for yet another war, just see "Tracy's" last posting and see how it goes into Koran, religion, Iran, etc. Let's all say no to hate, war for unjust causes, and racism (here and abroad)!

And Tracy, I AM an American!

Posted by RatherNotSat | March 11, 2007 1:23 PM


Thanks to everyone who has commented, but how about this for an interpretation? A number of people I have talked to who have seen the film see Xerxes as representing President Bush, which puts a whole new spin on things if you want to go down that road.

Maybe I am showing my age, but I keep going back to this as being one of the great tales of the Greek classics, intended both to inspire, and inspire debate.

Posted by Euan Kerr | March 11, 2007 1:45 PM


Then they got this picture all wrong Euan:

http://www.theweeklydonut.org/index.php/2007/03/08

Posted by RatherNotSat | March 11, 2007 2:22 PM


Whats wrong with you Rathernotsay?? This is a Friggen movie for entertainment purposes only and fashioned on a Graphic novel AKA Comic book!!!! BTW, why would you rather not say? Own up to your ideology!! 117 minutes of pure genius!!

Fran

Posted by Frances Wheeler | March 11, 2007 7:21 PM


You guys need to chill out. This movie is in no way, any type of metaphor for the bush administration or the war in iraq or afganistan.

The movie is based on Frank Millers graphic novel which was originally published in 1998! Well before the war or before George Bush's administration.
Even then the graphic novel itself was inspired by the 1962 film "The 300 Spartans". Again, well before either of the Bush administrations.
Lastly, that movie was based on the events of the Battle of Thermopylae and the events leading up to it from the perspective of Leonidas I, which took place in 480 BC. Far before the foundation of the United States, obviously.

As for Tracy and her tirade, the movie has nothing to do with: Jews, Muslims, The Koran, The Bible, Republicans, Terrorism, Racism, Christians, or Nuclear Weapons.
You guys are going to make your eyes start to bleed if you over think this any further. Here, I'll put it as simply as I possibly can. This is the WHOLE plot of the movie.

It's very very simple:
1. Xerxes wants to be ruler over Sparta.
2. Sparta does not want to have Xerxes as their ruler.
3. They fight for that reason alone. Sparta wants to remain Sparta and be ruled by a Spartan. Simple.

Xerxes does NOT represent bush. He represents Xerxes I of Persia (reigned 485–465 BC).
They do NOT fight over ANY cultural differences.
They do NOT fight over ANY religious differences.
They do NOT fight over ANY racial differences.

They could care less about anything the Persians do, until Xerxes threatens Sparta.

I don't understand why you people always look at something and try to turn it into something that people are supposed to get offended by.
It just seems as stupid to me as the person who spills coffee on himself and sues Mcdonalds because the coffee was hot.

Posted by Travis | March 12, 2007 12:56 AM


How are you going to interpret TMNT when it comes out?

Let me guess, the new ninja turtle movie is racist because all of the foot clan dress in black, thus referencing black as something thats evil. OOOOO RACIST!!
Its offensive because the turtles stand upright and talk, when historically, turtles cant do either! Not to mention that theyre green skinned, does that have some racist undertone?
Maybe we should find some people who have descended from ninjas and ask them how they feel about how ninjas are dipicted in the film. Maybe the colors they wear represent different religions!!
What religion are the Ninja turtles? Is their conflict with the foot clan a religious metaphor?!?!?
Maybe its a political metaphor for the Bush administration. Or on the war on terror. Or maybe its political propaganda!!

Thats how stupid you sound to me when you look at something thats geared to be entertainment and you try and twist it into some type of metaphor of world strife, or political propaganda of current events.

Posted by Travis | March 12, 2007 1:00 AM


This is a movie nothing more nothing less. People who believe that movies are trying to portray the directors beliefs need to sit down and look at the graphic novel this was based off of. That was written in 1998 were we at war in 98.... just because a movie is base off something that people think has racial bias are misinformed. The director shows no racial biases of any sort and is just making a movie based on a graphic novel by Frank Miller I see no point in trying to say that this needs to be a debate on the movie being Pro War, or racist IT IS A MOVIE and should be treated as such.

Posted by Nick | March 12, 2007 10:39 AM


I actually think that this is a movie with some hidden metaphorical messages. But if you dont believe that its not my concern. My GF is in Iran right now where supposedly our next biggest threat comes from. From her daily blogs she tells me (and her entire family) that Iranians are extremely nice people that "Love Americans. The government is hated, not the people." They are not enslaved either, they rather like the way they live their lives and really worry about how capitlism might affect their way of lives when they come plowing through. I thought that was interesting that they have been knowing all along that the Americans were aiming their big guns at them. You wouldn't know because you dont see that in the news around here. But for more than two-three years the Iranians are being surrounded by our army at the border of neighboring countries. This has been going on. When the time comes where America is ok or at least not that strongly against another war, our army would have been in place already. War logistics is very expensive and takes a long period of time to get things situated. Instead of waiting to see who is the next threat we just simply plan who is in the way and later worry how to convince the American people. This war is not on ridding the world from terrorism because we could easily have helped out in the rwanda genocide that is still going on. Its not really about nukes because we are flipping out over Iran when they dont even have enough Uranium to light a cigarrette (its a joke) but North Korea that is basically threatening the US that if they get messed with we would be sorry (that sounds like a threat to our national security to me). Why are we so panicked about this nation Iran? Did the news tell you that when 9-11 happened there were huge MARCHES in Iran to show that they cared what happened to us. Why because the people that leave Iran mostly come to the US. The US is like a second home. You must be blind and stupid to not want to study the other side. This MOVIE although good, is part of the whole getting americans to be ok with war by saying that we are just protecting the soveirgnty of our Free nation, from getting conquered by MUSLIMS. Keep in mind that the ruler went to war without permission and lied (but just for the good of Sparta.)

If you think this is BS they got you where they want you. Almost everywhere around the world you ask people what they think about americans and alot of them will tell you "Americans are good people. Gullible, but nice." We live in a bubble, we dont see what goes outside our borders. If we choose to believe what our media channels tells us we are as good as stupid because the INFO given to us is stupid. We are deceived not by false info, but through the method of correlation. For example Al-qaeda was reported to be in northern Iraq, and that was reason to believe that Iraq was aiding them right? WRONG. North Iraq was not politically controlled by Hussein. You assume that Al-qaeda in iraq mean that hussein and his regime were aiding the enemy through correlation. thats just one example of how we are being deceived like fools. go to your universities even if you dont attend, try to speak with a proffessor of political science or psychology. Talk to them and see what they tell you. Repeat what you read here and see what they tell you.

Posted by Aldo | March 12, 2007 12:01 PM


i seen it it cool

Posted by hahaha | March 12, 2007 1:10 PM


To Travis:
AMEN BROTHER!


To Everyone Else:
This is a MOVIE. It's not supposed to be historically accurate, it doesn't have metaphors (I think), and its purpose is to help people escape wretched reality for a while.


If you think this supposed to be a documentary, then I'm sorry but that's just dumb. This movie is supposed to be told through MYTH. Myth's are exaggerated because exaggeration makes for a better story to tell the grandkids. You might as well think the Illiad was supposed to be an accurate telling of the Trojan War. I believe we all know that the Illiad was made up by a blind Greek poet based on events he heard of. Or not. I'm not a historian, but I do have common sense. (A trait lacked by many a person nowadays.)


To people who think this is a metaphor: I seriously doubt that Frank Miller was thinking of the war about three years before it even started. What is he, a prophet? SOME people seem to think so... Well, the Persian's looks might be a metaphor for what the Spartans thought of them as and the hunchback might be the physical embodiment of back-stabbing betrayal, and anyone who hasn't seen a rhino or elephant before in their life probably WILL think they saw a monster from hell, but other than that, I don't see any metaphors. Certainly not political ones.


And finally, the film's true purpose: ENTERTAINMENT.


This movie was created to be something you could watch and then tell your buddies about how cool it was. The Persians were depicted as monsters because to the Spartans, that's what they were. If you made the movie from the Persian side, the Spartans would look like over-muscled, slack-jawed idiots who couldn't see whan they were beat. It's all relativity, to quote Einstein. Look at old Justice League comics from WWII: the Americans are the underdog brave soldiers, the Japanese and the Nazis were portayed as fanged, bug-eyed freaks. We know that they didn't look like that (although Lord knows what kind of horrible experiments the Nazis did so they might be an exception) and that America was a tad, um prejudiced at the time.


And another thing, I've been hearing people complaining about how the Spartans were too buff and physically perfect and not brainy enough and how they were sexist. I have news for you:


A) Brawn was more prized over brains in ancient times. From our intellect-orientated modern society, that might seem unfair, but back the when territory was being fought over, it wouldn't really be important that Johnny Smarts wrote a beautiful piece of poetry instead of fought and died in battle. These people deeply believed in honor and glory on the battlefield in a bushido-ish way (see, they had an Easternish philosophy, so much for racism). You want brains? Watch a movie about Athens, THEY were the brainy guys.


Spartans=Brawn
Atheniens=Brains


B) About the Spartans being sexist: EVERYONE BACK THEN PRIZED BOYS OVER GIRLS! Even some of the WOMEN were disappointed when they had a daughter instead of a son. Don't even start saying I'm a sexist guy because, guess what, not a guy. That's right, I'm a GIRL saying I don't see why 300 is considered a sexist movie by certain people. This was just how things went back then. I'm not saying it's right, it's just that this was how nearly every civilization on the planet went. The Romans, the Native Americans, the medeival period, the Vikings, heck, some of the Chinese are still killing off girls or (more often, thank the Lord) sending them around the world for adoption. The Greeks were actually slightly less sexist than other cultures.


Look at Leonidas's relationship with his wife: he loves her, he respects her, he would do anything for her. (Looking at men today, one wonders "what the hell happened to that?!") Spartan women were respected because they "gave birth to REAL men". A bit degrading, true, but a hell of a lot better than how some other cultures treated their ladies. Even "enlightened" men today have a game to see how many girls can they go with before marraige. Who's the chauvanistic pigs now? (to men who do that: shame on you, you perverts)


Please people, this is a MOVIE. Try and remember that.


That is the longest rant I've ever had. No more soda. I need to calm down now...

Posted by PersonWithComputer | March 12, 2007 2:10 PM


Oh yeah, another thing about the "sexist" issue:

Some of the most admired and respected warriors in Greek legend were the Amazons. If you do not know who they are, please look them up.

Nothing to do with 300, I know, I'm just saying...

Posted by PersonWithComputer | March 12, 2007 2:21 PM


Well, the world is today a racist bloody violent place. And I'm referring to the neighborhood down the street. What in the world could you folks have expected in a war movie set 2500 years ago?

This movie rocked!!!!! SPARTANS!!!!!!! What is your profession!?!?!?!?! I'm gonna see it again, then go start a fight somebody.

Posted by Rino - Silver Spring, MD | March 12, 2007 11:07 PM


Oh Yeah, that coffee at Micee dee's was over 190 degrees Farenheight. You would have sued too if you accidentally spilled coffee (Everyone has done it) only to find it was almost boiling!! That lady (Not guy) had severe burns from her inner thigh to her stomach. She got really messed up. Everyone give a quick prayer.

I bet those Persians, I mean Iranians would have liked to have thrown such coffee at the glorious Greeks.

Oh wait Greeks, darn the Spartans spoke much better English than my neighbor Mr. Christodoulou.

Xerxes looked alot better in One Night with the King.

Posted by Rino - Silver Spring, MD | March 12, 2007 11:19 PM


Thighs to stomach, do the math. OUCH!!!!

Posted by Rino - Silver Spring | March 12, 2007 11:21 PM


those who can not see the reality , make movies as they wishes

Posted by salar | March 13, 2007 12:49 AM


it is very easy to talk and say as you like it but you should think that your idea can not change the reality.what is the use of showing 300 person as soldiers with strong power against a country having a big civilization?showing a culture that is not match with the real people?

Posted by salar | March 13, 2007 12:55 AM


First of all, I want to say that I am iranian.
I read one comment that this film is against slavery. It was mentioned in Tracey's comment that jews was slave under the Babylon empire and then persia. But I want to tell you that against western societies, Persia were always against Slavery, they freed jews of slavery of Babylon empire:

http://www.herodotuswebsite.co.uk/cyrus.htm

I just want to tell you a quote:
In ancient age, dictator forced people to obey, but nowadays dictator says you must think like us or you will fire from society. (Using TV, ...).
I am so sorry about the way the world is going on. What have we gained with technology!? New kind of slavery!!!
People trust everything told on TV. The World culture is going to be ruined. And we are going to be far away of this shakespear quote:
What a piece of work is man!! how noble in reason. How infinite in faculty! In form and moving how like an angle, in apprehension like a god, The beauty of earth, the paragon of animals.

Posted by Parviz | March 13, 2007 3:16 AM


i'm from iran.i think 300 movie is a big lie about iranian king, because we read in a history rom attacked to iran and iran wants to protect.and i'm sorry for us movie makers because they don't know anything about iran and just they know a big lier as heridot .thank you.

Posted by omid abbasi | March 13, 2007 4:22 AM


English Please.

Posted by Rno | March 13, 2007 8:19 AM


All of yall are stupid, just go and enjoy the damn movie.

Posted by yo mamma | March 13, 2007 4:04 PM


Anyone who thinks that 300 is a metaphor for Bush and the war in Iraq is a flipping idiot! The movie is almost line for line, image for image, a copy of Frank Miller's graphic novel...a novel which was first released January 16, 2003.

Our current war with/in Iraq, started with our invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003. It takes almost a year to write and draw a good graphic novel, and let me tell you, 300 is a great graphic novel. Not to mention that Miller has said in many interviews that he had been researching the history and toying with the idea, since BEFORE September 11th. So tell me how in the hell could it be a comment on Bush if when Miller started the story, it Clinton was president and Desert Storm/Shield wasn't even a concept in anyone's eye?

When people say that the film is a comment on today, that is bull. Not only was the graphic novel which the film is based on in the making LONG before Bush was president and we invaded Iraq, the script was written and optioned and a movie was in the works BEFORE we indvaded Iraq.

Posted by Threnody | March 13, 2007 6:00 PM


PersonWithComputer has pretty much argued my point for me so I'll just reiterate. Only the most ignorant, crazy, brainwashed, oversensitive, liberal wacko would cry and moan so thuroughly about a MOVIE! Oh nooooo, the persians were a civilized empire and to portray them as demonic is a horrible crime against Iran. Honestly, while were at it, how about we lament greeks who were portrayed as being constantly oiled up in their leather thong battle armor. The entire argument against "300" is completely ludicrous. I skimmed through a couple dozen of signatures on a petition against the movie and all of the comments are ignorant; some border on racist. Some signers blamed the hollywood jews, but most insulted the directors lack of research. LACK OF RESEARCH! It is a movie. A MOVIE! Not a documentary. It drives me crazy that so many people can be so, to but it bluntly, stupid. Their grasp on reality is so fickle that I find it hard to understand how they function in any society.

In closing, the movie is AMAZING. It's a powerful story based loosly on a myth that was created from the misconception about an actual battle that took place. "300" only holds true to the battle in the names of characters and the general point of the myth (that 300 spartans held off the persian army which numbered in the hundreds of thousands to possibly a couple million). The story is told in a style that is reminiscent of Ernest Hemingway, short, powerful, and to the point. It is an over the top movie that uses over the top acting and over the top combat scenes to get the adrenaline pumping, which it does flawlessly. I strongly suggest anyone who enjoys action movie's to watch it.

Posted by Andrew | March 13, 2007 6:16 PM


the reason u lot dont understand why Iranians are angered by this film is that u have no culture or history to be proud of. when you compare yourselves, people with at most 400 years of history to a proud nation like Iran that has 2500 years worth of culture and history to be proud of, you might understand what it means to love ones nation.
you cant call peoples pride 'stupid' and 'dumb' and a 'simple matter', its alright for you lot when you dont have anything to be proud of, you'll never know what it means to love your nation so much that you'd be willingot die for it to save it. Iran was made on the backs of proud Iranian people and that is how it will allways be, just because you lot don't care about your country that much doesn't mean that other people ae the same as you and wont get offended if someone insults their country. Insulting a proud nation with more history and culture than you could ever wish for is a crime against humanity.
dont expect everyone to be ignorant like yourselves

Posted by viva iran | March 14, 2007 2:10 PM


LOVED IT

Posted by Sgreer | March 14, 2007 4:59 PM


I saw this movie and all I have to say is this, It was an awesome movie experience and that people should not take a movie so seriously just watch it and if you were entertained than that's good but if you weren't then that's your opinion which everybody is entitled to.

Anyway just remember it is a form of entertainment not factual history or anything like that just A MOVIE.

Posted by Keith | March 14, 2007 6:20 PM


As a Cinematic Medium of Entertainment, “300” broke new ground.

Although it repeated, much of the same methodologies of the ‘SIN’ flick...

The story was adventurous, adolescent, a Celluloid comicbook, male bonding, profuse bloodletting,
pro-war propaganda... well woven, stimulating & brilliantly choreographed.

It Dared to Play on Honor & Morality; Oblivious to its Hypocricy…

& the King’s wife was Truly a Power Playing Whore...

AS White Nationalism Blew its Horn Loud & Proud.

Nonetheless,

“300” is a Potent, Persuasive, and Behavior Modifying Tour De Force!

However,

Being an African N America, I despised the films endless depictions of Persians/ Black Africans

As Evil, Despotic, Sexually Depraved, Immoral, Ugly, Beast; Inhuman Monsters...


The Wanton Gleeful Killings of Black/African Peoples in the Name of Entertainment
Was Insulting, Infuriating a And this ‘Slanderous Assault’ wasn't even subtle,

The ‘Film’ oozed blatant thick ‘Racist Bile’...

Also,

The Bold Declarations of Eurocentric/Greek Supremacy

& endless displays of pompous pretension to superior culture and breeding

was nauseating.

As Demonic Malicious ART— the Film was Fabulous.


As a Work of ART Possessing Character or Redemptive Value ~ the Film is Feces*

Now before some of *U* Good Ole Boyz & Guurlz of America

Blow a fuse; just THINK 4A Minute;

*****************************


If 'Other People" Splattered Vile, Insulting, Shyt* across a theater Screen
& Hailed it as Great Entertainment even if Majestically Executed,
it doesn’t detract, from its Social Depravity.

What if Some African’s decided to do A Flik on the ‘Black African Moors’ conquest of Europe, (a 400 year occupation…)


& Displayed the so-called “Europeans” as superstitious, groveling backward cave dwelling, savage inbreeders, who ignorantly fought against the ‘Civilization’ provided them, and as a member of the audience *U* Had to sit through scene after scene of your “White Brethren” being Slaughtered & Slandered Whole Sell* as these pompous ‘Moors’ sang the Virtue of “Their” Science & Religion…

Do you really expect a Self Respecting ‘Human Being’ to joyously Njoy that!

Or How Bout Some African or Indian Film maker; retells the story of “Americas Conquest”.

Depicting, a horde of Pale Europeans, Marauding, Homicidal, Hateful Souless ‘Devils’, Torturing, Murdering Indians, Enslaving Africans in the Theft and Rape of their Nations and Property. Arrogant Evil “Europeans” who misused their position of Power and Authority gained from the Knowledge & Hospitality of the “Whole Human Family”, betraying and hoarding new scientific discoveries & technology for selfish gain, while boasting of inherent White Supremacy perputrating a "Religion" whose tenants they failed to follow… Just, Rabid Vain Unrepentant Egomanics... ...

But since it's 'only' a Movie there is a different timeline and outcome...

The “Oppressed People” fought back and overthrew these Monsters

& *U* Sitting in your comfortable seat, Witness a celluloid reversal of history;

Where Caucasiods are Slaughtered like insects in an Orgy of Vengence, Blood and Death!?

Would YOU, Could YOU

Sit Back & Enjoy That AS Entertainment??????????

No, I don’t think so…


And the very FACT that WE are having this correspondence attests to the
Social Incorrectness of “300”.

YET; I KNOW that WE MUST leave ‘RACE’ or I should say “Ethnicity” OUT OF IT…

IN the Final Analysis the Human Race/Family is ONE.


WE All Share the same DNA.



WE ALL are not Flawless

WE are A Creation in Progress



Therefore

WE Forgive

& Try to Forget.

This Kinda Shyt Dont Help....

So-called “Racism” results from Groups that Share the Same Culture “Set TrippN”…

If WE as a Human Species are to Know Bliss on this ‘ROCK’

WE must quit ‘Set TrippN’ & Race Baiting.

“300” really didn’t have to “Go There” to be a Great Movie!

& While U sit back & Njoy “300”

Know that Even if the “Brotha or Sista”

Next to *U* doesn't show it…

They aint feeln it!!!

Posted by Tha Watcher | March 15, 2007 3:52 AM


I find it interesting that a MOVIE based on a COMIC BOOK has created more debate than I have heard in ages about morality, war, racism, homophobia, politics, etc, than I have heard in years. All over the country. That is the power of ART.
As a photographer I would like to echo many of the comments I have heard from friends and coworkers. The 300 is the coolest LOOKING thing I have seen in ages. Groundbreaking.
Past that, I have always felt that great art inspires debate and lends itself to the interpretation of the beholder. I thought this was just a popcorn movie, but maybe it really is art after all.
Thanks.

Posted by North Carolina Boy | March 15, 2007 10:32 AM


Ok, to kick things off I'm going to take this oh so eloquently written piece of ignorance here from someone who calls themselves "viva iran" who says:

"the reason u lot dont understand why Iranians are angered by this film is that u have no culture or history to be proud of. when you compare yourselves, people with at most 400 years of history to a proud nation like Iran that has 2500 years worth of culture and history to be proud of, you might understand what it means to love ones nation.
you cant call peoples pride 'stupid' and 'dumb' and a 'simple matter', its alright for you lot when you dont have anything to be proud of, you'll never know what it means to love your nation so much that you'd be willingot die for it to save it. Iran was made on the backs of proud Iranian people and that is how it will allways be, just because you lot don't care about your country that much doesn't mean that other people ae the same as you and wont get offended if someone insults their country. Insulting a proud nation with more history and culture than you could ever wish for is a crime against humanity.
dont expect everyone to be ignorant like yourselves"

I am American.
Are you saying that Americans have no culture or history to be proud of?
If I’m not mistaken, the very computer your using was invented right here in America. The concept of the “internet” was conceived here in America.
It’s true that Americas history doesn’t reach much farther back than 200 years or so, but what other country in the worlds history has had such an impact on the world in such a short span of time?
America is:
1) One of the world’s most mighty military forces.
2) One of the world’s most productive countries.
3) The single most influential country the world has ever seen. (You can go ANYWHERE in the entire world and find something American. American products, vehicles, stores, and services.)
4) A central pillar in the global economy.
5) One of the world’s most technological countries.

If you ask me, that’s something to be quite proud of.

You’re also saying that Americans are incapable of loving their country enough that we are willing to die for it?
Correct me if I’m wrong now, but did American soldiers not die in the service of their country in every conflict the country has ever been in? America’s military is a 100% volunteer military.
That means that every member of our armed forces willingly joined of their own free will and is ready to fight and die for their country. Not only do Americans love their country enough to die for it, Americans hold sacred the ideals of freedom so much that we fought and died for other countries and their people on multiple occasions.

-We fought to ensure global freedom in World War I.
-We literally saved the world in World War II when the Nazi forces conquered the entirety of Europe leaving only Britain as the last standing country. It wasn’t until the United States entered the war that allied forces began to push back the axis forces on all fronts. Thus liberating Europe, Africa, Asia, the Middle East (including Iran), and relieving the soviet forces from the axis attacks, giving them an opportunity to recoup and advance.
-We fought in Vietnam to keep the South Vietnamese for being forced into a communist state from the North Vietnamese and china.
-We fought in Korea to save South Korea from being crushed by North Korea.
-We fought for Kuwait when they were invaded by Iraq.

Those are some examples of our American Pride. That we are prideful in our country and our ideals so much that we are willing to fight and die not only for our own freedom, but for yours as well.


No one here is insulting your pride in your country. At least I’m not. I will however insult you for your blatant ignorance and your false accusations. You are the last person here who has any right to claim someone as ignorant after what you said. It would be wise of you to keep quiet or at least think before you write something that foolish. You’re not being a good representative of the country you take so much pride in. I suggest you think about that.

Now go sit in time out.

Posted by Travis | March 16, 2007 1:57 AM


You people should really read the posts that have already been posted and you might see that pretty much ALL of your complaints and rants have already been commented on.

Because you obviously failed to read the above posts, I'll go ahead and repost my above posts. Its hard to believe your still debating this movie.

Enjoy:

POST 1
OK, well, let’s start with the first comment from "RatherNotSay".
Your comment is ridiculous and completely unfounded in any truth and extremely biased by you’re your own perception of the movie and or reality in general.

As for the movie being racist. You’re certainly thinking about this movie as some sort of racist weapon. And it’s not, it’s a movie. It’s a work of FICTION. Yes, I know, they are depicting real events, but it only “Based on real events”. It never claims to be historically accurate.

You (RatherNotSat) make reference to a line in the movie being unacceptable because it’s racist when you say: “It does not make it OK just because they yell, "Pile those Persians high!"”

Do you really think that this statement is racist? If they had been fighting the Athenians or any other adversary they would have used their name as well. They’re not being “racist” they’re referring to their enemies, whom they are at war with. It wouldn’t make much sense nor would it contribute to the movies feel of conflict if they had said “Pile those dead human beings high!” That statement is not derogatory either, they use the word “Persians” because the main enemy is Persian, and they are being led by a Persian ruler. He’s calling them what they are.
They are not intending to “make it OK” they are not trying to justify killing those people; they are simply moving the dead. What dead? Persian dead.
Nowhere in the movie does it even imply that they fight the Persians because they are in any way different from them. They fight because they do not want to be subject to a foreign power, regardless of how they dress, the color of their skin, or their culture or religion. Also, the Spartans fight because it’s Xerxes who brings the war to them.

The Spartans refer to all of the warriors they face as Persians even though it is stated countless times that Xerxes army consists of troops from many, many nations. This is why they call a man Persian even when his skin complexion is far darker than a native of Persia. If you want to be picky which I assume you do, because your complaining in the first place. You don’t think it’s possible that an army with soldiers from many nations is going to have people with dark skin? That somehow in Xerxes conquest across countries he doesn’t pick up people from all around the world? If you assume that, then you need to chill out and think before you start calling people or peoples work racist.

Not to mention almost all of the Persian forces wore some type of cover over their face. Looking at a handful of faces in an army of a million you can’t possibly come to the conclusion that every single person in the employ of Xerxes is of a darker complexion than a historical Persian person. It’s also not out of reason to assume that the unmasked members of the Persian forces, usually people in authority, were given their position not because they were of Persian descent, but because they submitted their people to Xerxes. For instance, if Leonidas were to have submitted to Xerxes, he would have become the Persian Warlord of all Greece. Why? Not because he’s Persian, but because his leader is Persian.

As for the statement about the Persians being deformed, I assume you are making a reference to the Immortals. It was not uncommon for people to mutilate themselves to make them look more fearsome in battle. The disfigured faces of the Immortals could quite possibly have been something you are required to do when you become an “Immortal”. They make reference to the fact that they have filed down their teeth on purpose. To this day, the filing of teeth is still done for cosmetic reasons. It would explain why the Immortals are given those very distinct facemasks. To make them look inhuman, and thus put fear into your enemies. As is the case with the faces, if your mask is knocked off, you still have a frightening appearance, one that startles the enemy when he sees it, as shown in the film when you first see an Immortals face.


When you actually THINK about these things it makes sense. When you simply start calling people or their work racist because you don’t understand what you’re seeing, that makes you ignorant. Ignorance is the root of racism.

POST 2
You guys need to chill out. This movie is in no way, any type of metaphor for the bush administration or the war in iraq or afganistan.

The movie is based on Frank Millers graphic novel which was originally published in 1998! Well before the war or before George Bush's administration.
Even then the graphic novel itself was inspired by the 1962 film "The 300 Spartans". Again, well before either of the Bush administrations.
Lastly, that movie was based on the events of the Battle of Thermopylae and the events leading up to it from the perspective of Leonidas I, which took place in 480 BC. Far before the foundation of the United States, obviously.

As for Tracy and her tirade, the movie has nothing to do with: Jews, Muslims, The Koran, The Bible, Republicans, Terrorism, Racism, Christians, or Nuclear Weapons.
You guys are going to make your eyes start to bleed if you over think this any further. Here, I'll put it as simply as I possibly can. This is the WHOLE plot of the movie.

It's very very simple:
1. Xerxes wants to be ruler over Sparta.
2. Sparta does not want to have Xerxes as their ruler.
3. They fight for that reason alone. Sparta wants to remain Sparta and be ruled by a Spartan. Simple.

Xerxes does NOT represent bush. He represents Xerxes I of Persia (reigned 485–465 BC).
They do NOT fight over ANY cultural differences.
They do NOT fight over ANY religious differences.
They do NOT fight over ANY racial differences.

They could care less about anything the Persians do, until Xerxes threatens Sparta.

I don't understand why you people always look at something and try to turn it into something that people are supposed to get offended by.
It just seems as stupid to me as the person who spills coffee on himself and sues Mcdonalds because the coffee was hot.
You guys need to chill out. This movie is in no way, any type of metaphor for the bush administration or the war in iraq or afganistan.

The movie is based on Frank Millers graphic novel which was originally published in 1998! Well before the war or before George Bush's administration.
Even then the graphic novel itself was inspired by the 1962 film "The 300 Spartans". Again, well before either of the Bush administrations.
Lastly, that movie was based on the events of the Battle of Thermopylae and the events leading up to it from the perspective of Leonidas I, which took place in 480 BC. Far before the foundation of the United States, obviously.

As for Tracy and her tirade, the movie has nothing to do with: Jews, Muslims, The Koran, The Bible, Republicans, Terrorism, Racism, Christians, or Nuclear Weapons.
You guys are going to make your eyes start to bleed if you over think this any further. Here, I'll put it as simply as I possibly can. This is the WHOLE plot of the movie.

It's very very simple:
1. Xerxes wants to be ruler over Sparta.
2. Sparta does not want to have Xerxes as their ruler.
3. They fight for that reason alone. Sparta wants to remain Sparta and be ruled by a Spartan. Simple.

Xerxes does NOT represent bush. He represents Xerxes I of Persia (reigned 485–465 BC).
They do NOT fight over ANY cultural differences.
They do NOT fight over ANY religious differences.
They do NOT fight over ANY racial differences.

They could care less about anything the Persians do, until Xerxes threatens Sparta.

I don't understand why you people always look at something and try to turn it into something that people are supposed to get offended by.
It just seems as stupid to me as the person who spills coffee on himself and sues Mcdonalds because the coffee was hot.
((THE FOLLOWING IS AN EDIT ABOUT A COMMENT MADE ABOUT THE COFFEE))
I don't care how hot the coffee actually was. No one orders coffee and expects it to be lukewarm, they expect it to be... ready for it?

HOT!
She knew it was hot, and yes it will burn. Thats common sense.

POST 3
How are you going to interpret TMNT when it comes out?

Let me guess, the new ninja turtle movie is racist because all of the foot clan dress in black, thus referencing black as something thats evil. OOOOO RACIST!!
Its offensive because the turtles stand upright and talk, when historically, turtles cant do either! Not to mention that theyre green skinned, does that have some racist undertone?
Maybe we should find some people who have descended from ninjas and ask them how they feel about how ninjas are dipicted in the film. Maybe the colors they wear represent different religions!!
What religion are the Ninja turtles? Is their conflict with the foot clan a religious metaphor?!?!?
Maybe its a political metaphor for the Bush administration. Or on the war on terror. Or maybe its political propaganda!!

Thats how stupid you sound to me when you look at something thats geared to be entertainment and you try and twist it into some type of metaphor of world strife, or political propaganda of current events.

Posted by Travis | March 16, 2007 2:12 AM


This movie was awesome. I see alot of people taking offense to this movie, saying we're attacking Iran, saying it's a spin on what really happened. Fact is, every movie/song/tv show - it's all a spin in one way or another. it's people like you (and by you I mean ones analyzing movies this much to the point you can't enjoy it) are the ones who destroy every kid's dream.. that dream is the will to fight in what you believe in.

Or, I can stop talking like I'm some prophet, and say: THIS MOVIE WAS GNIKCUF AWESOME!! And I'm going to see it again in an IMax theatre

Posted by Probably Another Mike | March 17, 2007 11:30 AM


I find it interesting how those who are often not 'eastern' or darker do not find movies such as 300 racist while those who are do.

Interesting though is that many Persians were blue eyed. I guess liberties were taken then in casting them darker? Strange, I never saw any asian looking spartans? I mean, if you take liberties on one why not on the other?

Posted by Ray0071 | March 18, 2007 2:03 PM


While I can understand the opposition to the exoticism of Xerxes' army, I do not feel that this movie was racist in any way. Nostalgic, perhaps, for a time when men were men; for a time when people cared enough about their country to lay down their lives. In addition, however, we must recall that the Greeks, especially the Spartans, used to believe that the only good death was a glorious one in battle. We see this throughout Greek myth and lore-- in the Illiad, Achilles is told specifically that he will die if he goes to Troy, but that if he does go, his name will live on forever. The 300 Spartans at Thermopylae did not hate the Persians for their race. They wanted two things-- freedom for their people, and eternal glory for themselves. Now, thousands of years later, we're still talking about them. Who is the real winner of this debate? The Spartan soldiers under Leonidas. The Persians come off worse in the movie and the comic book because the tale is told by Delios, a Spartan, and because they waged a war of aggression against a sovereign people.

Posted by rand | March 19, 2007 11:16 AM


Dear RatherNotSay (March 8, 2007 2:39 PM)

You sound like the Accadians in the movie...."let's turn around we're going to die!"
Show us you balls and have the courage to at least put a name to your convictions...."rather not say" tisk tisk...what kind of man are you?

There was a battle, Persia lost. Talk about propaganda and brainwashing!

Go home and put on your skirt if you don't like it.
And most of all remember to relax...It's just a freaking movie.
Thank god I live in America!

Posted by Michael | March 19, 2007 1:57 PM


Michael,

Just a couple of points: the Persians won the battle of Thermopylae. And as to your comments about 'skirts,' please see "Braveheart." It's another woefully historically inaccurate film, but that doesn't detract from the power of the kilt.

Euan

Posted by Euan Kerr | March 19, 2007 2:11 PM


Ray0071 says:

"I find it interesting how those who are often not 'eastern' or darker do not find movies such as 300 racist while those who are do.

Interesting though is that many Persians were blue eyed. I guess liberties were taken then in casting them darker? Strange, I never saw any asian looking spartans? I mean, if you take liberties on one why not on the other?"

I know an Iranian(Persian) family here in the United States.
My friend is 25, and his father moved here to the United States when he was 20. They have not been in America long so I dont really think you could say that they are more American than Iranian by any means. They have all seen the movie and do not find it offensive or racist in the least.

I also know several families from Haiti, a Japanese family, and a family of Iraqis who fled here to America during the beginning of the current war. They have all seen this movie, and not one single person from any of those families feels that this movie is racist or offensive.

I did however see someone get VERY offended when he saw the scene where they show Leonidas' butt. He actually made a weird noise, got up and left the theatre, slamming the door behind him as he left.
I just think that guy needs to grow up. I didn't hear him complaining when he saw the Oracle's breasts.

As for not seeing any "asian looking spartans", theres no surprise there. First off the Spartans are very picky who they let claim the title of "Spartan". If they were picky enough to throw their own infants off a cliff because they simply did not look normal (which was a real practice by the real Spartans) then they certainly would not let someone who wasn't born in Sparta be called a Spartan. Not to mention that Leonidas only took what were considered to be his best 300 Spartans to go with him, theres no surprise at all that none of them were "asian looking".

As for "liberties" being taken with the Persians.
Again, you must not have read my above post where I said:
" The Spartans refer to all of the warriors they face as Persians even though it is stated countless times that Xerxes army consists of troops from many, many nations. This is why they call a man Persian even when his skin complexion is far darker than a native of Persia. If you want to be picky which I assume you do, because your complaining in the first place. You don’t think it’s possible that an army with soldiers from many nations is going to have people with dark skin? That somehow in Xerxes conquest across countries he doesn’t pick up people from all around the world? If you assume that, then you need to chill out and think before you start calling people or peoples work racist.

Not to mention almost all of the Persian forces wore some type of cover over their face. Looking at a handful of faces in an army of a million you can’t possibly come to the conclusion that every single person in the employ of Xerxes is of a darker complexion than a historical Persian person. It’s also not out of reason to assume that the unmasked members of the Persian forces, usually people in authority, were given their position not because they were of Persian descent, but because they submitted their people to Xerxes. For instance, if Leonidas were to have submitted to Xerxes, he would have become the Persian Warlord of all Greece. Why? Not because he’s Persian, but because his leader is Persian."

-=!!!READ PREVIOUS POSTS!!!=-
I don't feel like posting my comments over and over to counter your complaints because you refuse to read everyones comments before you write something thats... already been stated!
Its not fair to those who have read the posts once already to read my shit over and over just because you don't bother to take 5 min and browse through the other comments.

To all of you who realize that this is a movie for entertainment and NOT a documentary, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

Posted by Travis | March 20, 2007 12:16 AM


I think the important thing t o rememeber here is that it is a movie! It is just a movie. I don't hear all the vampires in outcry when we have Vampire Slayer movies. Or what about the Gladiator. Did hollywood mess up there too? Sure, probably, what ever! Movies are to entertain us not sway our political views... and I mean that for 90% of our popluation. The other 10% maybe! But such a small fraction it is, and let them deal with it. You know what I hate, is that we can have a movie telling a story about the cruel world domination of the Persion Empire and have the current persions in an outcry. How do you spell stupid? Own up to it. Americans, typically white or white westerners, have had to own up to the slaughtering of the American Indians, the slavory of blacks, the cruelty to Japanees during the world war, and so forth. We know we've made mistakes. We have made movies that show that. But that was then. We aren't calling Iran the persia of the old. But if they are going to cry about it, then maybe we should look into it further. Maybe they are becasue they have so much to hide. You all are stupid, it's just a movie.

Posted by Shad | March 20, 2007 2:24 PM


Dear Tha Watcher:
You made abundantly clear the views of why people of colour would find this movie another glorification of white supremacy.

Note: If movies were made purely for entertainment; Why then are Egyptians, Hebrews, and Jesus never portrayed as the BLACK people they really were?

Freeman

Posted by Freeman | April 14, 2007 7:35 PM


Tracy! Why didn't you site the chapter and verse in the Koran that you allege states that Muslims are encouraged to kill other monotheist?

And you say the movie does not portray a bias to certain groups.

Stop spreading lies!

Posted by Freeman | April 14, 2007 7:47 PM


In response to Freeman's 2nd post:

"Tracy! Why didn't you site the chapter and verse in the Koran that you allege states that Muslims are encouraged to kill other monotheist?

And you say the movie does not portray a bias to certain groups.

Stop spreading lies!"
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Allah wants Muslims to kill the infidels (unbelievers) wherever they are found (Koran 9:5), and that peace will come only to those who submit to him (Koran 8:17, 48:29, and 65). The Koran also has Allah saying that unbelievers should be killed (Koran 2:191, 3:141, 4:104, 4:89, 8:12-16, 9:5, 9:73-74, 9:123, 25:52…), that Muslim apostates should be killed or chastised (Koran 2:39, 2:85, 3:85, 3:106, 4:89, 16:106, and 47:25-28), that the heads and fingers of unbelievers should be cut off (Koran 5:33, 8:12, and 47:4), and that Muslims should fight and humiliate Jews and Christians (Koran 5:18 and 9:29). Is this a religion of peace?

There is more. For Allah, warfare is good (Koran 2:216) and jihad (fighting in the way of Allah) should continue until only Islam is dominant (Koran 2:193, 3:85, 8:39, 9:33, 35:37 and 61:9). Allah wants his followers to slaughter his enemies (Koran 8:67), allows Muslims to loot (Koran 8:1, 8:41, 8:69, and 59:7), to commit suicide (Koran 2:154, 2:207, 3:140-144, 3:157, 9:111 and 47:4), and to acquire slaves (Koran 4:3, 4:23-24 and 8:67). Muhammad himself was allowed to engage in unlimited sex with female slaves and captives (Koran 4:3, 23:6, 33:50-52 and 70:30). Is this a religion of tolerance?

In addition, Allah orders Muslims not to take Jews, Christians and other unbelievers as friends (Koran 3:28, 5:51 and 9:23), and will not forgive Christians (Koran 4:48 and 4:116). Muhammad taught to put the infidels to death wherever they were found (Koran 2:191, 2:244, 4:89, 5:36, 9:5, and 9:29), urged Muslims to fight the unbelievers who are close (Koran 9:123), mentioned that fighting is obligatory (Koran 2:216), and mandated the conquering of those relatives who opposed Muslims because loyalty to Islam overrode all other human bonds (Koran 9:23-24, and 58:22).

Muhammad is also quoted in the Koran as urging fighting until Islam is the only religion (Koran 2:193, 8:39, and 61:9), seeking the death of apostates (Koran 9:73-74), accepting slavery (Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:87-89, 23:6, 24:32-33, 33:50-52 and 70:30), supporting the slaughter of captives (Koran 8:67), the raping of women captives (Koran 4:24), beheading the infidels (Koran 47:4), and approving looting in wars (Koran 24:29, and 48:20-21). Is this the religion of diversity?

The Koran states that if Muslims do not fight, Allah will replace them with others who will. (Koran 9:39). Those who cannot fight must help fellow Muslims in other ways, including through donations of money. (Koran 8:72). Only Islamic law or sharia is lawful for Muslims (Koran 5:50). There will not be mercy on unbelievers (Koran 5:36-38 and 48:29). The end of the jihad will happen when there is faith only in Allah (Koran 2:193). Power must belong to Muslims only (Koran 63:8), and they must exert power over non-Muslims (Koran 4:141).


Posted by Travis | April 19, 2007 3:28 PM


Travis you have included an impressive number of citations. However, upon further examination of your “proof” it is apparent you have only chosen to examine these verses with little or no context, confirming to me that you are not interested in truth.

“To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are corrupted. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed.”
From The Letter of Paul to Titus 1:15-16, The Holy Bible.

You say that “Allah wants Muslims to kill the infidels (unbelievers)” and you used The Holy Quran 9:5 as proof. If you had considered the context of history, you would have realized that Prophet Muhammad was actually referring to other Arabs, the Quarish in fact (members of his own clan who wanted him dead-it would appear that intolerance to a new way of thinking was not “exclusive” to Muslims). Furthermore, if you read verse 6 of that very same chapter, it goes on to say:

“And if anyone of the idolaters seek thy protection, protect him till he hears the word of Allah, then convey him to his place of safety. This is because they are a people who know not.”

If you think about it your next comment “… peace will come only to those who submit to him.” I hope you realize the him you refer to is God/Allah. Most religions (at least the great world religions) attest that individuals will only find peace when they obey (submit) to God or a higher being.

Now, to that bit about “warfare is good.” Context again Travis, context. The Holy Quran 2:216 actually reads:

“Fighting is enjoined on you, though it is disliked by you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you; and Allah knows while you know not”

This verse, like the one before refers to The Prophet’s enemies, who wished to persecute him and God urging him to go out and DEFEND himself and his community of believers.

You say that fighting “should continue until only Islam is dominant” The Holy Quran 2:193. Did you know “Islam” is an Arabic word meaning peace? Also if you consider the verses before and after (190-195), in addition to AGAIN considering CONTEXT, you would see that The Prophet was referring to self defense. A notation, I believe most humans value. In fact, many of the comments written before praised the movie “300” for the themes of “self defence” and “freedom”. I think Leonidas would have strongly agreed with the following verse (Replace Allah with Zeus if that makes you more comfortable).

“And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not the aggressors.” The Holy Quran 2:190

And finally to your despicable comments about The Prophet and “unlimited sex”. You referenced The Holy Quran 4:3 I must quote the verse previous, once AGAIN.

“And give to the orphans their property, and substitute not worthless (things) for (their) good (ones), and devour not their property (adding) to your own property. This is surely a great sin.” The Holy Quran 4:2

THE VERSE YOU CITED follows with:

“And if you fear that you cannot do justice to orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then (marry) only one or that which your right hands possess. This is more proper that you may not do injustice.” The Holy Quran 4:3

How you could interpret this information to mean that he could have unlimited sex with slaves is unclear to me. If you also consider, … CONTEXT. You would know that when men went into battle and a soldier died it was considered the honourable thing to look after the fallen soldier’s wife and children. It had little to do with sex, but with a corrupt mind, I guess any interpretation is acceptable.

Peace be onto to you.

Posted by Freeman | April 28, 2007 7:33 PM


This is not a racist movie its plain history. It tells a story of how few stood against many. The whole purpose of the persian deformities was to highten your feeling of their character. An executioner with sword arms and retched grotesqu deformities hightens his persona to the viewer. A traitor who is deformed hmm that takes alot of thought. Leave it to people with to much time on their hands to think hollywood has enough brains to hide propaganda in the movie. Racist i think not. A colored king oh no he was huge and pierced to help to convey his presence as god like. And if the iranians feel hurt to bad. Also the greeks were all white oh no there kkk wait its was in 500B.C. imagine that they were all white you morons. Also the story line is very accurate. And to the iranians id put 300 marines against you anyday ive seen you fight. Trained fighters using advanced tactics can hold off thousands. so why dont you go watch hambuger hill and shut up............USMC one shot one kill

Posted by Marinesniper | September 6, 2007 9:39 PM


And to your religion i believe that muslims believe what they want they have been fighting for centuries and will not stop. They fight like cowards and kill there own people to get at the americans. What kind of belief is this and its all done in the name of allah. They also seclude and hide there womens faces hmm kinda weird also i spent alot of time fighting in iraq and 90% of the time the women do all the work kinda looks like a bit of slavery to me. Also you say peace be onto you name one thing that peace has ever solved. Lets put it this way any goverment or king is a tyrant thats just the way the cookie crumbles. Some are just better and more powerful than others. I have my own religion i like to call it heroanity. Its pretty much the baseline of christianity but i dont need to spend time in church the good lord knows that in my heart he is my hero. And i know he put me here to live my life so every sunday me and the lord we pack the boat with are poles and some beer and go fishing. Abd god willing when i die and i walk through those gates he will hand me a rod and a 6 pack and ask to return the favor. To kill in the name of the lord is insanity to protect free will and your family thats the only reason to pick up arms. And saddam was a cruel tyrant his people lived in poverty while he ate caviar. Oil my ass wmd's my ass we picked up arms willingly to protect our families and our neighbors against a coward who tries to step in our house and hurt our people. And we stay to help the iraqi people find true free will. YOU MESS WITH THE BEST YOU DIE LIKE THE REST...............................

Posted by Marinesniper | September 6, 2007 10:01 PM


Xerxes massages the shoulders of the greek king (I dont remember his name) and says this.

Xerxes : "you see, I am a collosal pervert! No form of sexual depravity is too low for me. Animal, vegetable, mineral...I'll do anything TO anything"

Plus its funny how Iran says we portray their ansestors as evil murderous killers.....yet they ARE evil murderous killers, even now they are, No...actually, they're worse now. Take a look at www.Iranfocus.com and look for yourself.....there is a video in the section on 'women' where a woman and two men are hanged and as she's struggling on the rope, people scream out "ALLAH ackbar!!!"...Plus its in this very city where they hang children as young as 9.

So I think Iran is sore because we hit home with accuracy of their history of cruelty and sadism.

Posted by The baby eating bishop of bath and wells | November 20, 2007 8:18 PM


i think everyone in this discussion would be interested to see a video i made about this topic. its a short deconstruction of the archetypes used in the film, 300, and how these same types have been used in other hollywood movies throughout history.

the video is on youtube at this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwFOpYOXBQ0

enjoy!

Posted by RPM2008 | January 19, 2008 8:49 AM


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