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The music library is growing
February 01, 2005

If you are a regular listener (after one week!) you can probably tell that the music library is growing. This is happening in a few different ways. First, we have received a lot of CDs from local musicians and bands who want to be heard on the new 89.3 and we've all been listening to those CDs like crazy and adding new music to the mix. Second, the record labels are discovering us and we are now getting several boxes of CDs per day in the mail. Also, we've had a few days to catalogue the music we already have here - from our own libraries and also from The Morning Show and other sources inside the building. And last, Thorn (music director) has been buying more CDs and these are arriving daily. Our mix is going to be close to 3,000 songs this week - not bad for for week #2.

Meanwhile, over at the Forum discussion site listeners have asked a lot of questions about donating music (find it here http://kcmp.forum.publicradio.org/). Here's the scoop. You can't copy a CD or MP3 file and bring the copy down to the studios and donate it to us. That is the very definition of illegal file sharing! Also, CDs that are legally burned from ITunes unfortunately do not meet broadcast standards. The reason is the codec is different - we need WAV quality files (in other words, we need 44.1 khz, 16 bit sampling rate, or to put it simply, CD quality audio). So, if you are interested in donating music for the library it needs to be a new or used commercially-distributed CD. Thanks for asking, and thanks for sending us so much interesting music!

Posted by Sarah Lutman at 02:03 PM | Comments (21)

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On the subject of donation, Sarah, could you let us know what y'all are looking for? Perhaps an Amazon wish list or Big Honking list could be instituted that's off from the main page.

I am terribly happy that y'all are getting buckets of CDs from the companies. Good luck mucking through them all.

Posted by: Drew J at February 1, 2005 02:43 PM

Oh, and make sure to pull out all of the Virgin/Back Porch recordings and play them til the lasers wear out the grooves.

Just a suggestion.

Posted by: Drew J at February 1, 2005 02:44 PM

You just need to do a little shopping at CD Baby http://www.cdbaby.com/home. They have some of the most interesting selections of unknowns and some are actually good. CD Baby was even a story on NPR's "Morning Edition" a few weeks ago. Keep up the great music.

Posted by: Gary Hall at February 1, 2005 03:06 PM

If maintaining a list of all the titles in the KCMP library proves too cumbersome, how about a simpler list of all "artists heard on the Current?"

This might serve as a guide for music donations as well as song requests, and the station could point to such a list as proof of the breadth of its diversity.

Just a thought. . . .

Posted by: atleehammaker at February 1, 2005 03:43 PM

You can rip to .wav from ITunes.
Stand-alones now create a digital fingerprint so that a disc can only be copied once in accordance with the SCMS law.
I understand if you're skittish, but I maintain it is well within your rights as a public service to accept said CD-R's.
ITunes using OSX 10.3.4 and up uses 44khz as default, and you can even up it from 16 to 19.2 bps if you're concerned about quality. I seriously encourage you and/or your lawyers to look into this exhaustively and perhaps reevaluate your stance on the issue once this information becomes clearer.

Posted by: downwrite at February 1, 2005 04:31 PM

The actual broadcast signal quality is roughly equivilant to 96Kbps MP3. With any compression its best to start with a lossless source. Recompressing something thats already compressed is going to make it worse than compressing something from a lossless source.

WAV though, isnt the only lossless sources. The Mac equivlant is aiff. It can be converted to wav without any loss. There are several formats that are lossless but more space effcient, such as FLAC, Monkeys Audio, Shorten, and Apple Lossless.

Posted by: Dan Johansson at February 1, 2005 11:53 PM

I think an Amazon Wish List for 89.3 would be a great idea. Obviously, it's something that you would have to maintain, but it would be a great way for listeners to contribute to the station in a fun way.

My only reservation in donating CDs is not knowing what you already have... I'm probably going to go through my CD collection this weekend to see what I want to give away and what I want to sell. I imagine that whatever you don't need I can get back?

Posted by: Erik Mitchell at February 2, 2005 10:19 AM

What about FLAC live shows from the internet archive?

I started a thread on the station forum...
http://kcmp.forum.publicradio.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/1025202

Posted by: Dave at February 2, 2005 10:47 AM

Sorry to double post, I second the amazon wishlist.

Posted by: dave at February 2, 2005 10:48 AM

This may sound a bit pretentious, but would you be interested in getting some help listening to albums? I used to help out at Rev105 and DJ'd at KVSC. I'd love to find a way to participate in the lovefest that is 89.3.

I also produced a CD when I was in college... can I just send a copy to the station? Attention who?

Posted by: Dan Geislinger at February 2, 2005 12:12 PM

A few (local history) suggestions:

- Bonnie Raitt's first (self titled) album--recorded with Willie Murphey and Dave Ray in Minnetonka
- Running Jumping Standing Still by Koerner and Murphy.
- Anything Koerner, Ray and Glover
- The Minneapolis tracks of Dylan's Blood on the Tracks.

Non-music suggestion: Get Kevin Odegard in to talk about his book Simple Twist of Fate

Posted by: Sheldon at February 2, 2005 12:54 PM

In regard to downwrite's earlier comment about iTunes, it may indeed be possible to export WAV files or burn CDs from iTunes, but all of the music from the iTunes Music Store has already been compressed in the AAC format.

Dan Johansson's post hit the nail on the head.

Simply burning a CD or exporting it to a WAV file may change it into an uncompressed format but it won't really remove any existing compression. Once audio is compressed, it can't truly be turned back into the original uncompressed audio (except maybe in the case of a lossless codec like FLAC or Apple Lossless).

I can't really speak for the legal issues but there is a quality issue with taking audio that has previously been compressed and putting it on the air. It really wouldn't sound all that great after passing through our web encoders or the digital radio codec.

Hope this helps,
--
Shane Toven
MPR Engineering

Posted by: Shane Toven at February 2, 2005 06:11 PM

Thanks for the Air Miami!!!

Posted by: Patrick at February 3, 2005 11:15 AM

Sarah:
Sending off my latest CD "Songs of Love and other Natural Disasters" to the station today. Hope you can find a song or 2 to play for everyone. Thanks.

Steve West

Posted by: Steve West at February 3, 2005 12:56 PM

Need any Stuart Davis? Might be able to arrange some donations :) Any other Davis fans in the virtual house?

-Damon

p.s. -- I have been waiting for a station exactly like this to return to the air in Minneapolis for a LONG time; THANK YOU!!!

Posted by: Damon Schmidt at February 3, 2005 03:51 PM

Yes, Stuart Davis would be great!! Anyone have some Mary Lou Lord around that they want to donate? I don't

Posted by: leah at February 4, 2005 12:34 PM

How about some local stuff from "way back when" - I heard the Suicide Commandos - it was GREAT!
Now, how 'bout "Big Hits of Mid-America, Vol. 3"?

Posted by: davyt from somerset at February 8, 2005 02:30 AM

Dont just play the Minneapolis tracks from Dylans's Blood On the Tracks album, play them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Per at February 9, 2005 05:07 PM

I would also agree with damon when he said he has been waiting for a radio station like this for a long time. ive turned on the radio and ehar about 4 songs i love in a row. normally that is impossible.Stuart davis would be great! i personally like his self titled album best, but he has plenty of other gems. keep up the good work! this thing is comming along nicely

Posted by: Aaron at March 27, 2005 06:09 PM

i have looked high and low to find out where i can buy some of the thousands of music cd's you say are available on ksjn. i cannot find more than a dozen trite cd's about some kind of music from shows. i would buy cd's from you rather than barnes and noble if i knew where they are. i type in music library, and get this page!

Posted by: katherine howard at July 22, 2005 08:14 PM

Katherine - Go to www.prms.org. That's the address for the Public Radio Music Source, an online site that sells CDs, DVDs, and more.

Posted by: Sarah Lutman at July 24, 2005 01:48 PM

 

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